The NCR simply has too strong of a military force to lose. You make some good points regarding the tactical reasons for some of the legions decisions, I do think under-eqipping his army is doomed for failure. What happened is that Obsidian couldn't show the good parts of the Legion. People like him because it is easy to fall in love with social Darwinism and authoritarianism when society breaks down and people are pushed to the limit. However, the comment is saying, "people like the legion because they're well written" and therefore like the legion not for their moral standards, but their character depth and solid writing. Base Defense Rendezvous with Mayla in the lower portion of Thunder Totem. I found Caesar to be an interesting but fairly cliche "brutal but charismatic leader." Caesar clearly states in his dialogue that his entire goal for taking over the Mojave, ins't just to expand, it's to transform his nomadic empire, into a true state with real staying power. "The Legion came in and listened, supported and helped us come back together as a family." I always hear people talk about how the legion is such a "morally gray" faction and it's all about how "the ends justify the means", but I just don't see it that way. Caesar's Legion as it currently stands is a warrior culture. Black and white conflicts are not believable. The idea is supposed to be that Legion territory offers safety, stability and prosperity without the corruption and inefficiency of the NCR, but at the cost of any kind of meaningful personal liberty or basic standards of morality. Who would you support? Legate Lanius? The Strip under House is safe but it's just a small area. In such environments, being lightly armored means you can be faster, stealthier and can travel for longer distances, which is how the Legion keeps sneaking into NCR territories for raids. Probably because Bethesda would be incapable of making them interesting or with any depth. And in both the leaders probably see things into a political point of view. No, I will not "admit" something that I don't believe is true. I got halfway through this post before I realized this wasn't the Titanfall subreddit. I don't know where we could possibly get that idea from...maybe its from the first time when you meet them they're in the middle of massacring a town. The farmer and his family simply knew of the Enclave's secrets, so they sent Frank Horrigan and two other soldiers to deal with him. This would give House t… vDialogueN_GREETING_001754D2_1 Topic GREETING GREETING Honored to speak with you, sir. After you’ve dealt with it, Veteran Rangers start spawning in marked NCR locations. So clearly this is a man of high intelligence! What he says make sense in a world where only the strong can survive. I'm not disagreeing they aren't morally grey (they're not, rather they're quite clearly evil), but I am disagreeing they are ISIS, though there are similarities. Obsidian was very short on time so they had to slap something together in a hurry. The country recorded 179.8 deaths of new infections per 100,000 residents over the last seven days, a new high and significantly more than the 149 … In turn, so are his motivations and values. The notion that every country is for everyone and that no race or culture has a right to be preserved as the majority anywhere, even in their native lands, is a 21st century progressive globalist ideology and has no place in a game set in the middle ages. he w… Boones wife, for one. In all frankness, Legion support is all too often naive people who are easily suckered by smart-sounding speeches over good political substance. Or could, even if they wanted to. Rendered by PID 30456 on r2-app-01d298756a9da77a1 at 2020-12-18 18:31:17.206179+00:00 running 38155e9 country code: US. Is this a known bug, or have I missed something? having the younger and lesser equipped troops in the frontlines was apart of roman strategies, the first wave was the newest and lowest ranked soldiers would attack as skirmisher attacking with javelins moving in and out to try to disrupt the enemies formations, now unlike the legion this first wave was not only allowed to retreat but expected to once the second wave of troops was ready to advance. Those unable to fill these expectations die, but it's more resources for those that can survive. Dale Barton claims that he feels far more safe trading in Legion territory than he does in NCR territory. [–]HughesJohnEnclave 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). So the best course of action would be to squash the rebellion, restore order, and one day, drive the Russian invaders from your land. [–]emaw63Obsessed with mugs 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]Cotrop 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children). You have to look at the facts and not just believe the first piece of information given to you. Wouldn't it be more similar to say, Russia invades the EU and beats them into submission. [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (15 children). The deserts in Nevada doesn't provide enough cover especially since the the Courior with some perception could find them (is that the Pipboy?). But there is a certain logic to what they do. Endurance- 9 The Legion doesn’t believe in stimpacks,and chems being useful that it is an insult to Mars. It simply doesnt happen. It's easy for us living in our comfortable world to say, "That's not worth the price of the Legion's brutal methods." So slaves are necessary to work any farms that the Legion comes across, and since farms tend to be decentralized, a private system of slavery where individuals can purchase slaves for work makes economic sense. Just like everyone else in our world before the 1970s? Speaking of food, in martial societies the slaves tend to be the ones who work the land, because it is beneath a warrior caste. Just a young nation experimenting with hardcore laissez faire policies which breed corruption. Apparently Caesar has a line of succession, according to Boone, but if Lanius takes over, the legion is doomed. The raiders in the ncr are merely a nuisance not a real threat. Or maybe I'm just rewriting the Legion in my head in a lame attempt to make their story more defensible... Obsidian time-restraints tho, [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children). The legion is a … Or, instead of enemies so tough you can't reasonably kill them, have numerous enemies that don't stop coming until your dead. There's a trophy for killing him with a knife. Caesar describes why he "underequips" his troops. How do you explain the Enclave can kidnap entire vault/village and not 2 guys and a kid ? That would have been an interesting concept. ", you just do it. Why religious people 'cling' to beliefs even when contradicted by evidence. Hi! Over 230 upvotes on his and over 20 downvotes on yours. You'd be pretty grateful. [–]HughesJohnEnclave 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child). He used words like Hegelian Dialetics! Ah, but to the Legion, the religion serves the ideology (with Caesar commenting a cult of personality is necessary to keep him as absolute ruler), whereas with ISIS the ideology serves the religion (with experts and insiders saying their leaders' goals and strategies are heavily reliant on prophesies within the Quran). [+]Vault121 comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points 3 years ago (13 children). "Patrolling the Mojave...", you know the drill. I'm relatively new to Reddit in that I didn't have it when I played Oblivion/Fallout 3/New Vegas/Skyrim a lot, so Fallout 4 is almost all I've discussed and read about in this sub. Yeah, pretty much. [–]JyuconceptsProud Brotherhood Scum 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (11 children), The question was "Why do people defend the legion so much?". People easily forgot shitty things in Obsidian/Interplay games. All posts and comments in end, come down to moderator discretion. From vaultmp.com and the brickster.net group. Incase anyone hasn't seen it, fallout 2 as an FPS. Fallout: New Vegas the fourth major installment of amazing role-playing shooting game series: Fallout which is available for Xbox 360, PlayStation and PC. What the hell was wrong with the Frank Horrigan encounter? How could a leather clad man with a knife or spear possibly threaten someone in power-armor holding a machine gun? Yeah I'm sure your logic is amazing. Feral ghouls are creatures found in the Mojave Wasteland in 2281. The dawn of a new dynasty seemed to be the complete iron fist. They get to focus on the human well-being rather than the human-survival. The worst of them, however, is Caesar’s Legion. Caesar's legion won't survive him, it would turn into a Alexander the Great's heirs situation. Totally!" [–]JakalDXAradesh died for this shit 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). In naval terms, the NCR is a sluggish, poorly protected aircraft carrier and the Legion is the submarine stalking it. The fact that the NCR is stretched too thin and cannot police its own roads does not matter to you. Las Vegas' economy has been hit hard. For me, my issue with the Legion is that the follow-Up seemed to be legate lanius, who would NOT be a good transition. Simple sexual pleasure. Something similar with Gaunter O'Dim from W3:HoS. Your Royal Canadian Legion is committed to making a difference in the lives of Veterans and their families, providing essential services in our communities, and remembering the men and women who sacrificed for our country. Very much. [–]Vault121 -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (4 children), [–]Swampeyaway1 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (3 children). A question regarding Fallout 4 and its settlement shops. Seems iffy to me. The Stormcloaks are racist, just like everyone else in Tamriel? Then a terrorist kills the Polish president and stages a coup against the EU. Rape has used as a psychological weapon for ages, and even the idea of his loved ones being raped can demoralize a soldier to the point of desertion (during World War II the Germans tried to convince American soldiers that while they were fighting the Germans, non-whites were having their way with American wives at home, and after that of course millions of German women suffered the real thing at the hands of the Russians). [–]recycled_ideas 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). When logged in, you can choose up to 12 games that will be displayed as favourites in this menu. Focused on sniping, survival and repair, has affinity with boone and a soft spot for the NCR's mission (and their ranger armour). To say the least, it holds up and is way less of a chore to play through then FO4. Essentially it keeps them close to mortal danger and allows them no separation from the realities of combat. Personally I don't defend the Legion because I don't mind a bit of bureaucracy if it means I can fill out some paperwork and have an armed squad come clear out the mole rats that ate my cat. diversification and immigration are forced upon them against their will; 4.) I do wish that it would've been possible to peacefully unite some of the smaller tribes under your own banner as opposed to just personally gaining their support (maybe even literally one you could design or choose from a set of designs, complete with a base/compound and an outfit/uniform of your choosing?) I don't think they had good reason (it's been a long time) but I remember really hating the legion. The ncr isn't just sitting on it's ass back home letting the raiders do as they please. I love the Legion as far as lore and design, and I found them really interesting to explore and learn about in-game, but I definitely see them as being the obvious "in your face" bad guys and the NCR as being the insidious "pretending to be good guys" bad guys. [–]Golden_Spider666 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children), my character in my first run of NV was a "Fuck this, I almost fucking died, im for myself and thats it" kinda dude, I joined Yes-Man, and took over New Vegas, if i could've joined nobody i wouldve gladly chosen to do so and watch them fight it out, However I think joining Yes-Man as well railroads you to the NCR, [–]vtelgeuse 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (0 children). [–]forerunner398/r/totallynotfrumentarii 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]FalloutNightBrotherhood 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). Everyone has a role to fill, and a job to do, The men fight, the women bear children, those brought into slavery build and work. Livestream promotion not allowed. Same reason why he won't send his legionaries into House's vault. There are good reasons for them to sell slaves. [–]MarxistSociologist 45 points46 points47 points 3 years ago (6 children). [–]krackbaby 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (8 children). Not talk. I would like to hear your thoughts on this. I have finished this game in every possible way except legion. In that sense, I don't consider the Legion to be "what we got" over "what it is". The Institute is cold and unfeeling for damning the Commonwealth above but they also do hold one of the best hopes for humanity even if they're going about it wrong. During her opening remarks to the NEC, she made mention of a news headline from that horrific act. Not that I'm pro-Legion. F:NV focuses well on having 4 factions (NCR, Legion, House, and Yes Man) that all work. ", you just do it. -- Et tu, Courier"! Last Defense Eliminate the lieutenant leading the assault. Use and abuse spoiler tags. It's a lot harder to track down the latter. More or less using the peace that Caeser has made via his atrocities, and attempting to rectify the atrocities after the fact. it makes me wonder if they also think Hitler is "cartoonishly evil". It's also difficult to envision exactly what it is the Legion fights for. [–]taw -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (3 children). The Germans also import 10 million sub-Saharan African migrants into Poland without the consent of the Poles. Just consider this. [–]krackbaby 40 points41 points42 points 3 years ago (11 children). vDialogueN_GREETING_001754D3_1 Topic GREETING GREETING Honored to speak with you, … where is caesar's legion in fallout: new vegas 13 grudnia 2020 / w Bez kategorii / Autor / w Bez kategorii / Autor Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Some really shocking news. It's enough to outweigh literally any benefit to their leadership. What I attempted to do in this poll is get a better feel for why those people that do not or cannot support the Legion feel that way. [–]Vault121 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (2 children). Veteran NCR Rangers start appearing after you dealt with Mr. House’s bunker at The Fort, Caesar’s Legion’s home plate. But we're talking about a world torched by nuclear war and where two centuries later anarchy still reins in many, if not most, parts of that world. When a SJW freaks out about it, they will pull the leg of the SJW by pretending to be completely sold on the legion ideology, just to traumatize the SJW. You keep that in mind and its no wonder every time the Legion talks about the NCR all they talk about is how corrupt it is. Or underage from a captured tribe, for that matter. Oh yeah that sounds right. [–]ltsBuck 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). You have a point. This was a thoughtful reply. [–]ThatVeteranRangerNCR VETERAN RANGER 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]HK-47b 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). You're so smart and perfect anyway. Posts promoting or facilitating piracy in any way will be removed. This is almost never the case anywhere else. If you like legit crimery, go with NCR. There is no logical reason for them underequipping troops with what amounts to a few bits of leather and a big knife. The reason raiders aren't noted in legion lands isn't cause they were obliterated it's because after seeing the first couple crucifictions they gave up and went back to regular lives or left. [–]ANUSTART942Press X to SHAUN 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (3 children). Synthesis and Antithesis! Caesar's Legion is a ruthless slaver society who is at the doorstep of the NCR (New California Republic) and Mr. House in Fallout: New Vegas. Anyone who has a solid base in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu has the upper hand once the fight hits the ground. Most of Britain was under Roman rule for almost 400 years, but when the Roman Empire began to falter, the people of Britain were increasingly left to defend themselves. [–]whiskeymedic 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child). [+]Vault121 comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points 3 years ago (5 children). I'm a simple guy like that. I don't think you understand slavery. [–]TheWombatFromHellNCR 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]HughesJohnEnclave 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children). Do I have to play the previous games of fallout before playing fallout 4? (The God Of War) Charisma- 1 The Legion has no time to talk to Profligates. They are not evil because they made a choice to be evil for it's own sake, they are evil becaue they decided that was an acceptable price to pay to accomplish goals that are admirable. DiscussionWhy do people defend the legion so much? One thing I always think about, though, is how Yes Man says he is going away to become "more assertive". I feel like part of the family and I've made so many new friends.” About us. [–]dutchwonder 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). Isn't that exactly what Caesar is doing, though? No one can know that Graham is alive. This article is within the scope of the Fallout: New Vegas dialogue project.This project is designed to allow users to link to pages containing a character's dialogue for simpler and cleaner references by sorting through, cleaning up and categorizing quotes from every major character in Fallout: New Vegas..If you want to participate, please check the project page. I bet a lot of this stuff has been said/posited before. [–]blamcomacandcheeseTodd Coward ate my son 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (0 children). It's like Frank Horrigan encounter. Is he evil? 58 points59 points60 points 3 years ago (1 child), Yes you can, or at least you can go the gate and then fast travel out, you just cant take the chip with you, [–]bldarkmanBrotherhood 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). [–]prettypinkdorkKings 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). Doesn't matter if we later find out its a town of crooks and gang bangers. Less violent because they run shit in their sphere of influence, but the reason they run shit in the first place is because they're brutal af. © Valve Corporation. He's not like the other final bosses. ), [–]AltusIsXDLONG LIVE THE BEAR 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child). Las Vegas unemployment numbers hit Great Recession levels Businesses across the country are facing new restrictions as COVID-19 cases surge. In game, hell even in dialouge we never learn what they use slaves for. They crucify in hopes that it will deter people, and bring law and order to the wastes. They made a Pax Romana, and it was great! Not to boil Lanius down to an idiot, but his views of the world and the Legion are relatively simple. I once killed Caeser with a .22 pistol after trying to join him. Context and explanation =/= question. It's much like the support of Fascism, which ironically uses the same symbology of the Romans. There is a logic to slaves though. If you like freedom, go with Yes Man. The Legion adhere to a Totalitarian Ideology that has them fight against the decadence of civilisation, establishing a far more brutal order of slaves and public executions. there was never a doubt in my mind that the sexist, crucifixion obsessed slavers were the definitive "evil" faction in the game. Caesar wants to conquer NCR and claims this will change the Legion from a "basically nomadic army to a standing military force that protects its citizens and the power of its dictator". The thing that stands out is the fact that, out of the factions warring over the New Vegas Strip, none of them are really that awesome. Whether it becomes the same slave territory, just advanced, or a newer version, would depend on variables I am not up to calculating. Exactly. A tricky thing about safety and security in games is that as the all powerful protagonist, you will be safe and secure no matter what. Now, Poland is getting upset about every non-Polish citizen in their country, particularly the Asians. Some people like order and law above all else, even if that causes the persecution of some. Please wait until your account is 24 hours old before posting here. Yes they occasionally harass caravans but it's not without retribution. The cruelty you see in the NV area does seem to be symtpomatic of their culture as a whole, though. I mean, it was a huge part of Roman history. It's part of the reason why traders keep coming: the Legion has good deals. Absolutely no harassment, witchhunting, sexism, racism or hate speech will be tolerated. Who knows what plans Caesar has for his empire were he to claim New Vegas as his capital? Someone's analysis also read that the corruption is actually less than that of industrial revolution America. Very well put, much better than I could ever hope for. Fallout: New Vegas; Why do some people pronounce "caesar" as "kaizar" User Info: _Ryan4454_ _Ryan4454_ 10 years ago #1. By the way, I really suggest you proofread your comments in the future. A mostly peaceful, if somewhat selfish leader. It's why he staked it all there. First they had a jungle to hid in to ambush amd skirmish in. I feel sorry for those players. [–]AngryArmourAuld Lang Syne 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (3 children). Though he does terrible, unforgivable things, he doesn't see himself as "evil": everything he does is for a good reason in his eyes. Medicine. And how do you explain why they needed this guy and why they decided to kill him ? If the NCR did fight the legion as in actually fight them then the legion would lose period. They are definitely the second greyest villains in the series. "B-but roads are safe!" Discord promotion not allowed. Well, maybe these days you can, but you shouldn’t. No. Fallout: New Vegas has been scientifically proven to be the greatest game of all-time, and you can’t argue with science. Sex slaves also make a bit of sense, from a certain point of view. Rather than selfish greed or lust for power, his motivations revolve around improving the post-war world, gathering the scattered tribes beneath one flag and organizing them into a unified force (he does have a selfish side, don't get me wrong, but its more subdued). It's cruel, but very logical. Slavery is extremely logical. This is also evidenced by the khans as they flee the states and enter the mojave fearing the ncr crackdown. The Legion are cruel slavers who crucify those they deem degenerate. Follow proper Reddiquette when submitting and commenting. You can't interact with them yet so you are left in suspense of who they are. Or could, even if they wanted to. People who want to diss economics like to refer to it as the "dismal science", forgetting why Carlyle called it that. 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